<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: We Are Not A Christian Nation</title> <atom:link href="http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/</link> <description>short reports on half-baked decisions</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:10:16 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: studying bible</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-3597</link> <dc:creator>studying bible</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:53:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-3597</guid> <description>Have to love the effort you add into this blog :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to love the effort you add into this blog <img src='http://dummiesoftheyear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kat</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-666</link> <dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:14:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-666</guid> <description>YAY God!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAY God!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike U.</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-665</link> <dc:creator>Mike U.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:17:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-665</guid> <description>Separation of Church and state was the intent of the writers of the Constitution and reaffirmed in many court cases. Writings recongnize a &quot;God&quot; or a &quot;Supreme Being&quot; but nowhere does it say that God is our Christian God! The Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by Congress in 1797, has the following: &quot;ARTICLE 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,...&quot; In reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom: &quot;Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting the words &quot;Jesus Christ,&quot; so that it should read, &quot;A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;&quot; the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography In the 1879 decision Reynolds v. U.S., for example, the [Supreme] court observed that Jefferson&#039;s writings “…may be accepted as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.” Jefferson wrote: &quot;Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should &#039;make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,&#039; thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” This was, by the way, not the only time Jefferson used this phrase. It appears again in a letter he wrote to Viriginia Baptists in 1808: “Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person&#039;s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the &quot;wall of separation between church and state,&quot; therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Madison also referred more than once to the concept of a wall of separation. In a letter from 1819, he wrote &quot;…the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church and state.&quot; In an even earlier and undated essay (probably early 1800s), Madison wrote, &quot;Strongly guarded...is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.&quot; &quot;Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect &#039;a wall of separation between Church and State.&quot; The U.S. Supreme Court, 1947&quot; Article VI, section 3, of The Constitution states that:: &quot;... no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Separation of Church and state was the intent of the writers of the Constitution and reaffirmed in many court cases. Writings recongnize a &#8220;God&#8221; or a &#8220;Supreme Being&#8221; but nowhere does it say that God is our Christian God!<br /> The Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by Congress in 1797, has the following:<br /> &#8220;ARTICLE 11.<br /> As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>In reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom: &#8220;Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting the words &#8220;Jesus Christ,&#8221; so that it should read, &#8220;A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;&#8221; the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.&#8221;<br /> -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography</p><p>In the 1879 decision Reynolds v. U.S., for example, the [Supreme] court observed that Jefferson&#8217;s writings “…may be accepted as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.”<br /> Jefferson wrote: &#8220;Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should &#8216;make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,&#8217; thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”<br /> This was, by the way, not the only time Jefferson used this phrase. It appears again in a letter he wrote to Viriginia Baptists in 1808: “Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person&#8217;s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the &#8220;wall of separation between church and state,&#8221; therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.”</p><p>Madison also referred more than once to the concept of a wall of separation. In a letter from 1819, he wrote &#8220;…the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church and state.&#8221; In an even earlier and undated essay (probably early 1800s), Madison wrote, &#8220;Strongly guarded&#8230;is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect &#8216;a wall of separation between Church and State.&#8221; The U.S. Supreme Court, 1947&#8243;</p><p>Article VI, section 3, of The Constitution states that:: &#8220;&#8230; no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mel Ancholy</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-664</link> <dc:creator>Mel Ancholy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 04:24:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-664</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t use the quote because I know we are not a Muslim nation.  No one is debating that.  The debate is are we a Christian nation.  I don&#039;t care if Obama or Mickey Mouse said it, who said it is not the point. I am not radical right. What videos have been cut and pasted? Wait, who are you talking to?  I am assuming me because your comment is under my comment.  But you are really vague. Why would the party I belong to be the party of hate? Why do you think I am trying to destroy this country? I am first and foremost a Christian/follower of Jesus.  Secondly I am a citizen the United States and side more so with conservatism than liberalism, though I think a biblical point of view is best, which this country is letting slip away.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t use the quote because I know we are not a Muslim nation.  No one is debating that.  The debate is are we a Christian nation.  I don&#8217;t care if Obama or Mickey Mouse said it, who said it is not the point.</p><p>I am not radical right.</p><p>What videos have been cut and pasted?</p><p>Wait, who are you talking to?  I am assuming me because your comment is under my comment.  But you are really vague.</p><p>Why would the party I belong to be the party of hate?</p><p>Why do you think I am trying to destroy this country?</p><p>I am first and foremost a Christian/follower of Jesus.  Secondly I am a citizen the United States and side more so with conservatism than liberalism, though I think a biblical point of view is best, which this country is letting slip away.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brad</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-663</link> <dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:58:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-663</guid> <description>You might want to watch the whole video of that speech.  Obama also said we are not a nation of Muslims or Jews and he elaborated on the KIND of citizens that we strive to be in America.  I am not a big Obama fan but I find it unnecessary for someone to deliberately incite anger by leaving out key parts of a speech.  I am a Christian, I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.  There are people in this Country with high ideals, good morals, hearts full of kindness and love for their fellow man, who are of other faiths.  I have no reason to find fault with them.  There is a strong faction of the radical right which is destroying the Republican Party and inciting hate and I do not find that to be a Christian thing to do.  Respectfully.  Brad</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to watch the whole video of that speech.  Obama also said we are not a nation of Muslims or Jews and he elaborated on the KIND of citizens that we strive to be in America.  I am<br /> not a big Obama fan but I find it unnecessary for someone to deliberately incite anger by leaving out key parts of a speech.  I am a Christian, I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.  There are people in this Country with high ideals, good morals, hearts full of kindness and love for their fellow man, who are of other faiths.  I have no reason to find fault with them.  There is a strong faction of the radical right which is destroying the Republican Party and inciting hate and I do not find that to be a Christian thing to do.  Respectfully.  Brad</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brad</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-662</link> <dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:51:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-662</guid> <description>Why didn&#039;t you use the quote &quot;We are not a Muslim nation&quot; ?  He said that.  Oh, wait, that would not have incited the radicals.  No wonder people now look at the Republican Party as the Party of Hate. The radical right has destroyed the Republican Party with their cut and paste videos and their email lies.  If you can&#039;t make a point without lying and making stuff up, then that point is not valid. Go get your own political party and name it what it really is....try something like The Party of Hate and Lies. Obviously you are trying to destroy our Country.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t you use the quote &#8220;We are not a Muslim nation&#8221; ?  He said that.  Oh, wait, that would not have incited the radicals.  No wonder people now look at the Republican Party as the Party of Hate.<br /> The radical right has destroyed the Republican Party with their cut and paste videos and their<br /> email lies.  If you can&#8217;t make a point without lying and making stuff up, then that point is not valid.<br /> Go get your own political party and name it what it really is&#8230;.try something like The Party of Hate<br /> and Lies. Obviously you are trying to destroy our Country.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mel Ancholy</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-661</link> <dc:creator>Mel Ancholy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:25:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-661</guid> <description>Christian government, is this a government based on biblical principles?  This I totally agree with.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian government, is this a government based on biblical principles?  This I totally agree with.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tru_Alaskan</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-660</link> <dc:creator>Tru_Alaskan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-660</guid> <description>i know that. i&#039;m just trying to point out that our nation was founded on christianity.  if you read the founding fathers our government will not last long without christianity. they said it time and time again that our nation was and needs to be a CHRISTIAN nation, not a muslim nation, or a jewish nation.  our founding fathers made it very very clear, that it was a CHRISTIAN government and nothing else.   John Jay the first Chief justice of the supreme court said this &quot;Providence has given to our people the choice of these rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of a CHRISTIAN nation to prefer christians for their rulers&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know that. i&#8217;m just trying to point out that our nation was founded on christianity.  if you read the founding fathers our government will not last long without christianity. they said it time and time again that our nation was and needs to be a CHRISTIAN nation, not a muslim nation, or a jewish nation.  our founding fathers made it very very clear, that it was a CHRISTIAN government and nothing else.   John Jay the first Chief justice of the supreme court said this &#8220;Providence has given to our people the choice of these rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of a CHRISTIAN nation to prefer christians for their rulers&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: layrenewal</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-659</link> <dc:creator>layrenewal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:14:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-659</guid> <description>Tru Alaskan: Are we quibbling over semantics? Your statement: &quot;they did indeed intend this country to be created on Christianity&quot; is one with which I would completely agree - emphasis on the word &quot;ON&quot;. It is woven throughout their speeches, letters - even in the Declaration of Independence! But - Did they intend it to be a &quot;Christian nation?&quot; I would view those words defined as a nation in which religion is forced upon the people - much as Islam is forced upon those in Islamic nations. I believe our country was founded on Biblical principles and intended to be run in a Biblical manner. That said, I still don&#039;t think that means the same thing as a Christian nation. Because we have freedom of religion, that allows for the freedom to worship. If one wants to worship his or her underwear, that is their prerogative. In my opinion, that makes the person an idiot, but they have that freedom as defined by our Constitution. So - Do I pray we become a nation whereby our leaders recognize the Authority of an Almighty God? Yes, Yes and YES! But again, semantically, to me that means we are predominantly a nation of Christians - a nation to which people will be attracted because of the love of Christ exhibited by the people.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tru Alaskan: Are we quibbling over semantics? Your statement: &#8220;they did indeed intend this country to be created on Christianity&#8221; is one with which I would completely agree &#8211; emphasis on the word &#8220;ON&#8221;. It is woven throughout their speeches, letters &#8211; even in the Declaration of Independence!</p><p>But &#8211; Did they intend it to be a &#8220;Christian nation?&#8221; I would view those words defined as a nation in which religion is forced upon the people &#8211; much as Islam is forced upon those in Islamic nations.</p><p>I believe our country was founded on Biblical principles and intended to be run in a Biblical manner. That said, I still don&#8217;t think that means the same thing as a Christian nation. Because we have freedom of religion, that allows for the freedom to worship. If one wants to worship his or her underwear, that is their prerogative. In my opinion, that makes the person an idiot, but they have that freedom as defined by our Constitution.</p><p>So &#8211; Do I pray we become a nation whereby our leaders recognize the Authority of an Almighty God? Yes, Yes and YES! But again, semantically, to me that means we are predominantly a nation of Christians &#8211; a nation to which people will be attracted because of the love of Christ exhibited by the people.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mel Ancholy</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-658</link> <dc:creator>Mel Ancholy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-658</guid> <description>From a biblical point of view does it matter?  Did Jesus die to establish a Christian nation? He told his disciples to go to all nations (which is better translated people-groups) and make more disciples. I see your point but I am not sure how relevant it is biblically. My question is: What does it mean to be a Christian nation and is that idea biblical? As you know Christ can never be forced on somebody because that would go against their free will that has been given them by their Creator.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a biblical point of view does it matter?  Did Jesus die to establish a Christian nation?</p><p>He told his disciples to go to all nations (which is better translated people-groups) and make more disciples.</p><p>I see your point but I am not sure how relevant it is biblically.</p><p>My question is: What does it mean to be a Christian nation and is that idea biblical?</p><p>As you know Christ can never be forced on somebody because that would go against their free will that has been given them by their Creator.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tru_Alaskan</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-657</link> <dc:creator>Tru_Alaskan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-657</guid> <description>And in the &quot;all sects are to be on the same equal footing&quot; it specified all &quot;christian&quot; sects were to be on the same equal footing. that supreme court ruling said nothing about any other religion. Christianity was what our nation was founded on. even though our politicians today do not understand that fact, and most people are blind to it as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in the &#8220;all sects are to be on the same equal footing&#8221; it specified all &#8220;christian&#8221; sects were to be on the same equal footing. that supreme court ruling said nothing about any other religion. Christianity was what our nation was founded on. even though our politicians today do not understand that fact, and most people are blind to it as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tru_Alaskan</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-656</link> <dc:creator>Tru_Alaskan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-656</guid> <description>im not debating the fact that we need to live our faith personally. I am debating the fact, that this country was founded a christian nation.  i have read books about the founding fathers. and they did indeed intend this country to be created on christianity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im not debating the fact that we need to live our faith personally. I am debating the fact, that this country was founded a christian nation.  i have read books about the founding fathers. and they did indeed intend this country to be created on christianity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: layrenewal</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-655</link> <dc:creator>layrenewal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:05:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-655</guid> <description>Thanks!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mel Ancholy</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-654</link> <dc:creator>Mel Ancholy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-654</guid> <description>I am moving to Germany where they have state churches.  The two state churchs in Germany are Lutheran &amp; Catholic.  They are required to pay a state church tax.  94% of the church members do not attend services on Sunday. I think Operation World says that Germany is around 64% Christian but there statistic comes straight from those who have a membership with the state churches.  God looks at the heart of men and not memberships. It is not important that this country be a Christian Nation unless one is more concerned with our nation having this title than they are with each individual following after Jesus.  I am for the later.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am moving to Germany where they have state churches.  The two state churchs in Germany are Lutheran &amp; Catholic.  They are required to pay a state church tax.  94% of the church members do not attend services on Sunday.</p><p>I think Operation World says that Germany is around 64% Christian but there statistic comes straight from those who have a membership with the state churches.  God looks at the heart of men and not memberships.</p><p>It is not important that this country be a Christian Nation unless one is more concerned with our nation having this title than they are with each individual following after Jesus.  I am for the later.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mel Ancholy</title><link>http://dummiesoftheyear.com/we-are-not-a-christian-nation/#comment-653</link> <dc:creator>Mel Ancholy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dummiesoftheyear.com/?p=2006#comment-653</guid> <description>Go to your 1. wordpress dashboard 2. Users (left sidebar) 3. Your Profile 4. Scroll Down until you see website (found under heading &quot;Contact Info&quot; 5. Type in your website (make sure to include the http:// in front of your website Example: Your site would be http://layrenewal.wordpress.com You could just copy and paste that.  Once you enter your website scroll to the bottom and click update profile. It should work right away but sometimes wordpress is a bit slow so make sure you give it a few min to see results.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to your</p><p>1. wordpress dashboard</p><p>2. Users (left sidebar)</p><p>3. Your Profile</p><p>4. Scroll Down until you see website (found under heading &#8220;Contact Info&#8221;</p><p>5. Type in your website (make sure to include the http:// in front of your website</p><p>Example: Your site would be <a href="http://layrenewal.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://layrenewal.wordpress.com</a></p><p>You could just copy and paste that.  Once you enter your website scroll to the bottom and click update profile.</p><p>It should work right away but sometimes wordpress is a bit slow so make sure you give it a few min to see results.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using disk
Page Caching using disk (enhanced)
Database Caching 2/25 queries in 0.013 seconds using disk
Object Caching 928/962 objects using disk

Served from: dummiesoftheyear.com @ 2010-09-07 02:50:25 -->